(Some of my theories are heavily based off the book At The Mountains Of Madness, which Scott has admitted to referencing) Taking over the Jockey homeworld. Shaw dreams in the third person, for some reason. Which currency is the real one? ...That's really not what he said at all: Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. As a closing point, let me draw your attention to a very different strand of symbolism that runs through Prometheus: the British science fiction show Doctor Who. The captain even comments on this saying that they were isolated in location for a purpose (exact quote?). In Alien, how does it grow so fast after bursting out of John Hurt? Humans with transports. It went from a tiny chest burster to a large xenomorph all before attacking Harry Dean Stanton's character. The taint is nonsensical and, even if Scott himself said it, the Jesus/alien stuff was excised from the script. Was it a product of the terraforming? [â]Trones 95 points96 points97 points 8 years ago (36 children). ", [â]Hyperionides 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children). If this expedition will ultimately give him more life to make more money and keep doing what he wants, then thats worth a trillion dollars to him. In every Alien film that is considered canon, the android refers to the alien as a perfect life-form, or at least hints at it as such. Occam's is for finding the best solution to an unknown, all other things equal. This still doesn't explain why she was cast as Shaw instead of her. TL;DR: A lot of these problems have plausible explanations in my opinion. The general outline of the story is amazing but the execution was awful and still makes me angry. Was that ever considered? I am the LORD. The differences in individuals arise from different sequences of nitrogen bases coding for different proteins. But we do hear the 2 who were left in the chamber describe some of the dead engineers as having their chests "exploding out" or something to that effect. The fact that he impregnates Shaw after exposure continues the perversion of life theme. It doesn't make any sense. As for the snake, perhaps the difference in reaction occurs because a huge human-like corpse is more frightening than something the size of a medium-sized snake. They are. Why do they want to destroy us? humans were tested to have significant genetical links to them however they seemed to only resemble humans in appearance, they were basically like predators/animals. This explains why at the end of the movie, the Xenomorph is not a perfect evolution. I have a theory for why Vickers was in the movie. Nobody bats an eye when she's constantly moaning and doubling over in pain, nobody (who wasn't privy to the pregnancy/abortion) questions why suddenly had major surgery, nor do they seem to care. [â]strikervulsine 250 points251 points252 points 8 years ago (53 children). When they do stupid shit like have a team of scientists take off their helmets in a completely alien atmosphere, or completely ignore quarantine procedures, it frankly annoys me. This is why the last surviving engineer so violently reacted upon being woken by a vain old man clinging to his fortune and to his life. I do not think the Xenomorph that we see in Prometheus is the first of its kind. That suggests that the event that turned them against us and led to the huge piles of dead Engineers lying about was one and the same event. And it's an awful concept to begin with. [â]LaserBison 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child), I think your analysis is pretty spot on and you delved way deeper than I did, so I dont have much to comment on other than the fact that I tend to agree :). [â]lenny20 584 points585 points586 points 8 years ago* (266 children). Re: the helmets off - It's 2090, there is absurd technology that we can't even dream of being used all over the place. When David introduced the slime to Holloway, he showed no immediate signs of the slime's effects (supposing that the slime in the beginning was the same slime that they found) until after he had sex; which by some accounts of the bible is 'lust.' Occam's razor states that aliens didn't send Jesus to Earth and then decide to destroy us with horrible new alien life when we killed him. You pause momentarily before becoming spastic in an attempt to rid yourself of its presence. Take Holloway, Shaw's lover, who impregnates her barren womb with his black slime riddled semen before realising he is being transformed into something Other. If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history â which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas â he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, etcetera.'. I believe that once a being is created of the black goop, it continues to perpetuate the evil of the host and the future beings. How were they freezing and unfreezing themselves? The black slime kept in containers on LV-223 is a "weaponized" form of the slime; a quantity large enough to destroy a world's worth of DNA. Fix that image in your mind, please: the giver of life, with his abdomen torn open. When it breaks DNA, that DNA can take on new forms (that's important). Other than that I generally agree with your view. An astonishing excerpt from the Movies.com interview with Ridley Scott: Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. I really don't buy the whole "they were mad at us" crap. Now, as the sequel to the 2018 hit reaches theaters, Hollywood is holding its breath. I'm not sure why you got downvoted, because you make some good points. And, Mr. Ping is one of the best characters in it. If the moon visited by the Prometheus isnât the Engineers home and it was an accident that led them to be stuck there, why did they have the cave drawings lead there? I explained why somebody else was using the word the way that they did. that would pierce his abdomen and eat his liver every day--a colorful torture caused by his powers of regeneration as an immortal. And maybe it's just me, but in that mural he keeps referencing, I don't see the engineer's abdomen open at all. [â]raoulduk3 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (3 children). It was similar, but so are chimpanzees. Let's roll.". Awesome explanation. Granted, it IS called Prometheus. But his artwork is very well remembered for its blending of sex and horror. Now although you may not understand the nature of this new creature. They develped a Black Ooze that when contacted by a species that has Jockey(Human) DNA, it will become a Xeno. It was an incredibly stupid movie, and it's very annoying that people want to pose the plot holes and weak story as intentional "mysteries", I'll stick to Futurama, at least it doesn't insult my intelligence, [â][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (9 children). [â][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago* (5 children). Four days after these comments, the project was announced in Variety.Hereâs the important detail: it was to be entirely separate from Ridley Scottâs previously announced Prometheus 2 (a man who is no stranger to our Best Films Never Made series). They wouldn't know, and whatever he asked angered him. Nothing followed logically. ... wait, wait, NO ONE WORK TOGETHER. Let's not read so far into everything that it becomes a convoluted mess. That's a pattern we see replicated throughout the ancient world. Prometheus (2012) is a USA/UK science fiction adventure film filled with mystery.Ridley Scott (Blade Runner (1982), Alien (1979), The Martian (2015)) did a marvelous job executing Prometheus.Ridleyâs second film, Alien (1979) made him famous and ⦠Keep in mind that Ridley didn't write this movie, nor the first Alien for that matter. [â]AFatDarthVader 103 points104 points105 points 8 years ago (11 children). BONUS: The Secrets of âPrometheusâ Explained by Reddit Prometheus Explained. Ultimately, the film was unfocused and had consistency issues. All of his movies, while great mind you, really have everything right there on the surface. She didn't have time. This is shown earlier when they ask him which way to go. If they give away too much they may be stepping on the toes of all those previous story lines, I'm sure they did in ways but I'm not familiar with anything but the movies. Did it run away? Am I the only one that doesn't want all the mysteries behind the space jockey and the xenomorph spoon fed to me? [â]Deleriom 91 points92 points93 points 8 years ago (15 children). [â]Z0idberg_MD 62 points63 points64 points 8 years ago (12 children). It could just be a roadmap of planets to purge. [â]myusernamestaken -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (3 children). They wished to spread life, for whatever reason. B) The escape pod cannot be launched from the surface of LV-223, the planets gravity is too much. If anything, then that should raise red flags in her mind. New Alien Movie Probably Won't Revisit Prometheus or Covenant Teases Ridley Scott. Not only was his mission 2000 years delayed, but the problem had compounded itself immensely. I wish I were smart enough to extrapolate a thesis like this. Now you're thinking; I'm trapped here for the next 6-7 hours. I was expecting an Aliens-type betrayal where the sleaze from the Company turned off the monitor to Ripley/Newt's room after he put the facehuggers in there. i really questioned the 'last' engineer's motives of killing most of the humans and attempting to escape. This could have been part of his programming, to preserve the creature, as was the case in the original Alien. what does the alien do at the end? That's interesting, Christ-like lacerations on the left side and hands. The (in the Engineers' eyes) horrific human impulse to sacrifice others in order to survive has taken on flesh. [â][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (2 children). Previous to this essay, I did not know that in some myths he is also the creator of mankind. So this is how the movie happened for me: Oh hey, let's get frozen for two years, travel light years away to another planet, and not really know whats going on. Should we run in the direction it is rolling, or move literally 10 feet to the side so it won't crush us?". So those seemed like they may have allowed them to work on their weapon without triggering it. The way the engineers turn on the steam vent when Ripley goes to investigate the damage to the ship - its all nicely done, and I believe their actions. [â]Syatek 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children). He wouldn't know much more than when he went into that cryo chamber. Why?" People have always questioned that, but there is a difference. When left unchecked, evolution sometimes derails towards the super-predatory and rapidly evolving level of the Xenomorph. But we aren't. There was another agenda, that Vickers apparently knew but was not telling. The Third Doctor had an companion whose name was Liz Shaw, the same name as the protagonist of Prometheus. [â]DefinitelyRelephant 72 points73 points74 points 8 years ago (27 children). Thus, combining "lust" and "rage," two of the 7 sins, creates a newer version of a Xenomorph, which the article indicates is the "destroyer.". I'm still curious whether David brought in the worms or if they are from terraforming the planet (no evidence for either, I don't think). Archaeologists, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw, and Charlie Holloway discovered a star map, which they believed to be an invitation from the Engineers, leading ⦠* *. One, it was just a cliche cliff hanger type of ending (either way, really). She wants her father out of the way, so she can finally come in to her inheritance. I was discrediting your use of Occam's by taking a step back and showing that using Occams on this movie discredits many of it's overarching points, not just the smaller points. EDIT: The point is, we are not used to seeing Engineers. Seriously, how did he know? © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. In the conversation between Vickers and Weyland, we find out that Vickers has been trying to stop Weyland from visiting the Engineers and attempting to continue his reign. And fleeing could mean it will pursue you. You'd also be made aware of this fact if you have seen Alien. The movie specifically shows us earthworms in the soil, and it focuses on them for quite a while. I have no clue. And if you consider Die Hard a Christmas film, well, Prometheus is even more so: it has far more in common with the Bible story and its themes. [MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD] The black goop promotes change. âAlien â Covenantâ takes the story forward as we begin the journey to understand the myth behind âAlienâ. They crucified him. Canât say the Ancient Greeks would have put up much of a fight, the Engineers could have just showed up with some ray guns and wiped out our entire civilization. i thought the geologist just got xeno blood on his helmet and it melted, i didnt remember him getting exposed to black goo. Nope, just going to rip off heads and get back on my mission that was supposed to happen 2,000 years ago. They just woke this guy up and he killed everybody. yes, i agree. (Warning: Major, epic, devastating spoilers throughout) Prometheus weekend came and went, but the speculation rages on. However, to counter your point, David discovers that the ship was already destined for Earth. Prometheus is a Christmas movie because itâs about the redemption of humans who overcome difficulty (and evil) to rediscover hope, love and life. When those two were at the body dump, the captain didn't acknowledge seeing the video feed. The beginning, when they show what is presumably DNA, and you see it turn black - color doesn't work that way on an atomic scale. That is just the final scene we have of her. The 3 months pregnant was more of a statement that it wasn't a normal pregnancy, which was already apparent to David. If you want to have an epic metaphorically dense sci-fi masterpiece, no matter how fascinating and clever your thematic allusions, you cannot do it at the expense of the basic requirements of plot, character development, pacing and consistency. Did he not think he would die? They're lucky they didn't all get infected with something immediately. But either way its not about the sex to create one. I don't think the interpretation in the OP is a stretch, the title of the film suggests that the story is rooted in that of Prometheus the titan and that the story shares themes with it as well. A lone Engineer at the top of a waterfall goes through a strange ritual, drinking from a cup of black goo that causes his body to disintegrate into the building blocks of life. I remember when Spielberg's War of the Worlds came out and I totally loved that we didn't know the aliens intentions, or where they were from or why the hell they were going about their business the way they were. After all, as an android, he was programmed to do what Weyland asked, and I would think Weyland would want the secret to longer life more than anything. Lindelof shouldn't be afraid to tell us more than he does. Im not sure you understand what I meant with my reply. I think some people took that to mean that they are human and just have human DNA within the human genome. Root question: Why awake and start killing everyone, but do a half-ass job at it regarding Shaw and the other female explorer. Seems like that really could be the plot but it's still dumb, [â]AnBu_JR 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (1 child). It's a collection of unfinished and occasionally contradictory story elements jumbled together. [â]NickVenture 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children). On those visits, they directed primitive man to a solar system where we might contact the Engineers. Why did the Engineers suddenly decide to destroy the Earth? Rest your mind and forget you ever saw it. You had me on all points except for the black slime acting accordingly to what's in someone's heart. Regarding the map-maker and the biologist: I can see how, from the film's point of view, the story required that a couple of characters become lost in the caverns and don't make it back into the ship. And on a side note, still think the movie was terribly written. First, Prometheus isn't Inception. This is why the setup for the next movie is so cool because david is basically weyland and carries his creators motives and shaw is in for a treat when she helps him in the end. So much so that when Holloway does become infected later in the film, all the crewmembers (except David, obviously) simply assume that he became sick by removing his helmet and breathing the alien air. Michelle Johnston. âPrometheusâ left the viewers awed and shell-shocked. [â][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (7 children). [â]oney_and_a_twoy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children). Really? Here are some lingering questions my friend had, I quote: But the story itself is DUMB, filled with DUMB ASS characters who do not inspire any sort of empathy. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. It refers to mythology. We are suppose to buy that no one does anything about a monster, from the abortion, locked in the room down the hall? Homeboy wastes like 10 redshirts and no one ever mentions it again. very realistic and very possible when you think about it! And again, it is possible that the same biologist found the living, breathing, hissing alien serpent less intimidating than the inanimate alien humanoid - but is that really likely? ⢠The references to ancient cultures at the beginning hinting that the on system of planets were the beings responsible for the creation of humanity: shouldn't the formation actually point to the set of planets where the engineers reside? Touch, touch, touch, oh look black goo! Seriously, some of this shit is not central at all and definitely not worth being explained. Especially when you saw the scale of the thing from the air. [â]MHLewis 115 points116 points117 points 8 years ago (44 children). I feel like the second the "infallible" David said "Yep, the air is fine", everyone just stupidly believed him. Prometheus, Osiris, John Barleycorn, and of course the Jesus of Christianity are all supposed to embody this same principle. This Engineer must have been a raging idiot. (How else are we to explain the numerous images of Engineers in primitive art, complete with star diagram showing us the way to find them?) The lone surviving Engineer lived because he was in cryostasis. the plan all along was probably to leave him in stasis UNLESS a live engineer, or significant life saving knowledge was found. And now your panic level rises and at this point you really just don't know what the fuck to do. It seemed to be some sort of ritual, certainly. [â]PatternOfKnives 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child). I don't mind extending plausibility when it serves a purpose, or, more importantly, when we don't already have facts of reality that directly counter the claims. im also guessing she didnt get in her big escape pod and leave because it couldn't make the huge voyage and/or didnt have stasis. The whole black slime reacts to the creators intention is just bunk to me. It retained some of the properties of the Xenomorph, but not a pure form of the xenomorph. Why was the Engineer asleep for so long? What was the point of that scene? Shit, my bad. [â]cherrysidecar 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child). [â]Z0idberg_MD 40 points41 points42 points 8 years ago (26 children).
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