By Jeremy Cabalona 2012-06-12 17:55:01 UTC. I don't remember reading where Ridley was snubbed for that film. (Remember that the Queen is a product of James Cameron's "Aliens," not the original film.) Hopefully Prometheus 3 ties off all the loose ends. Also pretty positive Bladerunner will be successful. I don't think that we will see a queen in Ridleys Vision of Alien, he just doesn't like it and to be honest i don't like the hive / queen idea aswell. It could have been that they have been using that weapon for a long time but eventually the Xenomorphs emerged from it by random chance. I wanted to know more about the real giant space jockeys. Nope, Dallas only said it looks fossilized. For fans of James Cameron's 1986 sci-fi classic *Aliens*, or anything else related to the *Alien* franchise (including the *Predator* series, *Prometheus* and *Alien:Covenant*) created by Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon, H. R. Giger, etc. Just one reason AVP the graphic novels > AVP the movies. In that respect it has been hard to pin down exactly what the Alien franchise wants to be. Hey guys! If you own Land, you can either mine it yourself or charge people who mine on your land commission. Alien is a science-fiction horror/action media franchise centered on the film series which depicts warrant officer Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) and her battles with an extraterrestrial lifeform, commonly referred to as "the Alien" or Xenomorph.. However, this is Robert Porter's body that is being studied, so regardless of whether Prot is an alien or Porter himself, in each case it is Robert Porter's eyes that can see ultraviolet. I think sadly the answer to the question for much of anything David does hinged on his sanity and personality traits. So what the heck was up with the aliens? Cut to the Alien and the Nostromo. What would happen if aliens visited earth? It now turns out however that the species is merely a bunch of psychopaths who have met their match with David who seems to be the biggest baddest psychopath of all. The life forms on the derelict found on LV-426 represent the classic alien life cycle: Egg, facehugger, chestburster, Xenomorph. He gives them something more like a real reproductive cycle, one that can lead the way to longevity for the species. I prefer something varying between Alien and Aliens. Although this Alien looks similar to the Xenomorph, it's much smoother and doesn't have the bio-mechanical appearance. It's a lot easier to write "stories" when actors are irrational, you can have them do anything and you can go light on the reasoning. Or maybe they created the creature as a weapon to use on humanoids, and created a few thousand and decided bombing a civilization of 7 million would give them basically an entire planet that would act as a weapons storage site. Between Alien and Aliens you go from mystery Sci Fi horror to something a bit more like Starship Troopers. The Secret Hive on Fury 161 - Alien Universe Explained. It was pretty much in shambles when we saw it in Covenant. Registered members submit content to the site such as links, text posts, images, and videos, which are then voted up or … There would be millions of eggs. actually they dont morph they are just food for the egg, although when i found out i was a little dissapointed bc it seemed so alien and different. On easy, the alien barely finds you, especially when you hide. It's time for some good, old-fashioned speculation. If acid blood falls on the dirt, ehh, who cares. But the fact is, because of how Covenant did financially, this will have an effect on what Scott will do. youtu.be/3P2X8t... 0 comments. While it's not a bad route to go down, the execution of that has been lacklustre. It seems to me the xeno in Covenant is just an iteration of the xeno over the millennia. What if David is the connection to Blade Runner. Prime example are the Matrix sequels and Chronicles of Riddick. Unfortunately they did a mediocre job. David's most recent creation goes egg, facehugger, tiny Alien, large Alien. Experienced UFO/strange thing cant explain So this happened back in 2008 when i was sleeping. 9.2k members in the alien community. I've heard that Ridley doesn't count anything he didn't write as canon so with that in mind the queen doesn't exist, I get the feeling the prequel trilogy leads to the big chap and he's 1/1 unless they decide to do movies that take place after Alien. Think about that for a second, if Xenomorphs were a real thing and we found out our government had the eggs. Why did the Engineers create us? I think having the aliens be ancient, forgotten, lying in wait for mankind, uncaring, pure killers worked with the environment and setting of the ship. I definitely think that the Alien Queen should be in another movie, I think it's a great addition to the Xenomorph life cycle and such. We see these biological weapons in Prometheus and in Covenant. The problem with the existing form is that it's just too effective. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The victim must make a Close Combat roll (no action) to avoid being grappled. I guess I always thought they were here long before us and would be long after. Do not try to explain it, for it doesn't need to be explained. Imo I think the best way to go, however, if they want to continue making future Alien movies more of a draw, is to somehow crossover this franchise with Bladerunner since there is a connection between the two. User account menu. do you want the history/origin of 'insert horror movie character' explained? The reason that Androids are hunted and exiled. Or maybe them being a kind of palette cleanser only on a planetary scale, a way to reset a planet so they can try and create life on it fresh. It makes sense to me that this is the case and the alien in Alien (1979) was a remnant of an ancient iteration of the xeno. ... At the end of Prometheus, we see an ancestor of the Xenomorph from the original Alien film. I think it tries far too hard to be poignant, profound and deep. no! Given that his goal is to perfect the xenomorph species, I don't see why he'd leave a veritable gold mine behind. In hard science, you would need a special explanation for why races look similar and more importantly are all DNA based. They can pretty much travel the galaxy at will (meaning that it's unlikely that every last one of them was on the planet when David dropped the payload), and have numerous ships (we were told in "Prometheus" that they had multiple ships on that planet alone). This is slightly conflicted with that the Engineers are billions of years old as well as with the general timeline of Alien. It can litterally walk past the very locker you're in/bed you're under, all day long without it ever noticing you. (The fans definitely seem to want to see an Alien Queen but I think it may be more important to Scott that his vision of the Alien Universe is the definitive one, so we'll have to see how things play out.). I can see the latter happen, since Cameron directed Aliens. Why do they want to destroy us? A subreddit dedicated to the *Alien* franchise. The aliens do lend well to a Starship Troopers like scenario but one generally darker and more serious. Alien was Ridley's legacy and his anchor in the new movies, and Aliens is Cameron's creation. Kind of akin to what George Lucas did with Star Wars. Since those though it has only become more awkward jumping between trying to be The Shining in space, replying the HAL as a robot over and over and being hard biological science. the mystery is always much more intriguing and interesting.too much explanation outright kills the horror. They cannot make another movie about a Xenos which is almost never shown on a ship, they cannot make an action movie about a large group of Xenos, because people would complain it's just a remake. It doesn't make sense that in the David-centric universe Ridley will suddenly use huge elements from Aliens. For fans of James Cameron's 1986 sci-fi classic *Aliens*, or anything else related to the *Alien* franchise (including the *Predator* series, *Prometheus* and *Alien:Covenant*) created by Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon, H. R. Giger, etc. All doodles are welcome, whether ballpoint pen on … So somehow Porter is able to see in the ultraviolet spectrum. I don't mind it if they do a good job. Once the Xenos died off they could just go collect the eggs and then bomb their enemies. They should have stopped after Alien 3. Somehow, after all is said and done, the story should come full circle towards the very first Alien movie and LV 426. No longer are we in a metal ship that's the only thing protecting our characters from cold vacuum. There is at least another take on this where the species becomes parasitic on itself. There’s even a chance that we’re all part of a computer simulation by some researcher from another world, and other forms of life simply weren’t programmed into … Alien theory supporters state that Prot can see ultraviolet. A kind of endless circle of the creation destroying its creator. As more as i think about it, it makes sense that our mysterious Spacejockey from Alien 1979 is in fact David, which gives us the answer für the biomechanical stuff, but it would ignore the fact that the ship must be older. Land is needed for mining. Polly Is Somehow Involved. But i like the idea that David crashed on LV-426 because he got somehow infected with a Xeno which would explain the missing biomechanical component which leads to Alien 1979. After all, our frame of reference is quite limited when it comes to possible encounters with extraterrestrial life. The engineers are some of the coolest sci fi I've seen in A long time, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Observation. I also think in doing this, it will help bring more of a draw back to the franchise, and help future films do better at the box office. This is just my theory. We all know sequels have a reputation for being bad, but more specifically, Hollywood has a pattern of being bad at explaining the history of things. The Alien reacts very differently as well on hard, compared to easy and medium. A subreddit dedicated to the *Alien* franchise. Posted by 2 minutes ago. At this point I don't give a fuck about the xenos. It can't entirely wipe out its host species or its creators, otherwise they die as well. He resents not being hired for Alien 2, and probably even more so that the sequel he didn't direct is loved by more people. A subreddit dedicated to the *Alien* franchise. There is very clearly a xenomorph on the mural in Prometheus. It's extremely unlikely that we've seen the last of The Engineers. At the end of which one engineer, nukes the planet from his Juggernaut, killing everything. They aren't completely terrible, they just won't be held among the greats. Why does everyone care about the xenos still? However, once Ridley made Prometheus he started asking these questions - and now he needs to answer them. Creepypastas are horror-related legends. … Also, a reintroduction of the alien queen (since this was Cams idea) is another reason this should happen. Or maybe we’re the aliens and we were planted here as an experiment or as a form of fertilizer. That still takes the film from horror oriented to more military and tragedy or honour and glory oriented. While it’s never explained, there’s a chance that Brandon’s alien race function like wasps. You wouldn't join a band with Paul McCartney and expect him do to Rolling Stone cover versions. Because it is focused on the creation of the aliens, that's why you wont get a queen just like that. The producers behind the hit series — which tells a separate, self-contained story each season — opened up in a new interview with Entertainment Weekly about why they made one of the … Plus, he's got 2,000 test subjects (plus 1,400 embryos) aboard the Covenant. The word ancient really resonates to me. The pilot in Alien was fossilized, been there for ages. It didn't have to be a recent origin. It's also likely one of the reasons the story is beginning to suck. Explaining the alien removes some of the cold emptiness of space and subverts some of the themes. The film is heavily hinged around DNA. But make the Bladerunner events coincide with the events that are forthcoming in this Alien franchise (see other comments: possible war between engineers/colonists/David's xenomorphs, reintroduction of the alien queen etc.) ‘Under the Skin’ remains to be one of the most underrated movies of all the time. Alien: Covenant is just on the horizon and as director Ridley Scott starts promoting the film, he’s opened up about other movies in the Alien franchise, including the … Edit: the picture for the alien covenant movie, idk what they are actually called, where there are engineers and aliens all around them has a queen on it as well (or at least it just REALLY looks like an Alien Queen). It would have explained why they stopped using it, if it came back to bite them and why weapons stores were sitting there derelict. This may be promising for Ridley Scott to include queen Aliens in future movies. Today's movie commentary/reaction is the horror classic, ALIEN.Yes I finally watched it! It has moved away for now from something that has evolved like an insect colony into intelligent design. Kansas? As in usually the results are survivable but eventually something was and that thing would be immune to that weapon. Or possibly Walter is still functioning and manages to get an Engineer ship. The alien cannot attack until it uses a Fast Action to release the hostage. the official canonality is debatable though as the scene isnt in the official film. Sure, I'd be down for the engineers revering the Xeno and hoping to evolve INTO them at some point. At around 2, i suddenly got woken up by strange red and green lights entering my room. I think that Shaw, as the likely "mother" of the xenomorphs as we know them, might be the closest we'll come to a queen. But I don't think Prometheus and Covenant tell the origin of Xeno, more like a side story: The Enginners discovered the Xeno species, engineered it to create the black goo, which David reverse-engineered to breed a Neo/Proto, and likely in the sequel, a Xeno. The Secret Hive on Fury 161 - Alien Universe Explained. http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-awakening---ridley-scott-confirms-engineers-return-alien-covenant-sequel. There's a horrible possibility that Aliens is not canon to Ridley Scott. It's actually unlikely two independently emerging species would be DNA based and even if they were that they would be at all compatible. Press J to jump to the feed. It consumes everything and then dies. When they add new stuff to the lore people complain that they are explaining too much, when they add new stuff and don't explain the existing things people complain that they have just abandoned parts of the story. However, it is still parasitic and that's a bit of a problem. The audience response to the movie has been underwhelmingly overwhelming, so to say, and the movie has been subject to attention either for some naked encounters (guess who poses nude, several times) or to pass it as a regular “alien” movie with a lacklustre plot – perhaps for those … Heck, it's a pure mess. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. The ending was quite alright i guess, atleast we have something to talk about but there is no way to get a Logical answer on the derelict ship on LV-426. They've made a good monster but in the latest versions they've been struggling with too much focus on the philosophical origins of that monster and have forgotten about things like good action or actually letting that species play itself out. The new alien movies are no different. Well, I mean they could, but I doubt a Xenomorph could gestate in there. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A former top national intelligence official hinted that an upcoming government report on UFOs will include information that cannot easily be explained. I don't necessarily think it was necessary - a big part of the Alien's initial appeal was it's mystery. Not being hired for Alien 2? The parasitic nature though, especially the gene stealing part has always constrained portrayals of the species as it means they are intrinsically linked to our own biological processes. There will always be someone complaining, the Venn diagram for this and similar franchises is crazy. The Empire Film podcast asked him straight up about the possibility of a Queen and he was pretty evasive. For me Eggmorphing is the much better way to go with the Alien Life-cycle, it's just more... Alien. I can see a scenario where one of them hunts David down after seeing what he did to the planet. Annihilation Ending Explained. Even the avp1 movie had a better explanation... Also it's the most UNREALISTIC stuff I've seen in the entire Alien and Predator universe... Comics included. 4 Snack for Later: The Brute grabs a person to take to its lair to eat later. Early on in the film, Brandon is asked to explain … 140k members in the doodles community. Give me some engineer/human history please. There is at least a David question here that can be answered by that which is why he resorts to making them face huggers, a seemingly less effective life form. It would have explained why they stopped using it, if it came back to bite them and why weapons stores were sitting there derelict. The Shimmer Explained. It's sort of all getting weird because of that and only raising more questions than it answers. Sure I could see him making references here and there but no way Ridley and his script writers would add a Queen. The Shimmer Explained (This Page) 'Did Lena Really Escape The Shimmer? I hope Ridley Scott doesn't just take away a key element that made Aliens so good, in my opinion. But, Alien Covenant ignored the Eggmorphing Thing, i was hoping to see that the girl from the shower Scene would not be around anymore when they found their black friend, but... she lied dead on the ground, so the Proto/Xeno ignored the Bodys which is kinda dumb. Press J to jump to the feed. Ridley Scott has been pretty coy about whether or not his Alien universe allows for an Alien Queen. I could be wrong but I'm trying to look at this from a creative point of view rather than a fan's perspective. Alien gets weird here. In a lot of places the film is trying to be philosophical. It's probably why it's best Ridley doesn't direct another Alien movie. There will be an all out war on Oragai-6 between the colonists, David and his Xeno army, and the true Engineers. I don't think there is possibly an explanation to where the aliens came from that would be better than not knowing. 4 billion - 2 million BC – An alien race, later dubbed "The Engineers", visit Earth and leave one of their own behind. Produced and distributed by 20th Century Studios, the series began with Alien (1979), directed by Ridley Scott, and was followed by … He's no expert. Real, complete answers to every question about Alien: Covenant! I personally prefer that the aliens had a homeworld, but were never really explained on how or where they came from. These Internet entries are often brief, user-generated, paranormal stories intended to scare readers. This post was made a while back and it didnt get the love it deserved because he was onto something! The alignment tables. Now, the speculation and assumptions we're about to make are based on logic, philosophy, educated guesses, probabilities, nature, and of course, our own history. This is of course why it's not unpredictable that they went the panspermia route. The parasitic nature also constrains their survival which in this case was explained sadly by recent origin. As explained by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Eternalism holds that both Socrates and future Martian outposts exist at this very moment, despite the fact that neither is currently present. Reddit (/ ˈ r ɛ d ɪ t /, stylized as reddit) is a social news aggregation, web content rating, and discussion website, and it claims to be "the front-page of the internet" as its moniker, recently including livestream content through Reddit Public Access Network.. 2 months late but I agree. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. In the traditional alien you had something parasitic but that also looked like it could have evolved on its own. Where would you want them stored if we had to keep them? I personally imagined them and the xenomorphs from a Giger and Lovecraftian type dimension from before the big bang/creation. The Queen then lays her eggs everywhere. We examine the provocative and artful Annihilation ending, the new sci-fi film from Alex Garland and Natalie Portman. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. While it's a biological weapon of mass destruction, it leaves nothing biological apart from plant life behind. Currently, the most reasonable explanation, supported by alleged "behind the scenes talk" is that the Engineers were disappointed with us. I don't know how it would be more interesting if an android created them and I hope it doesn't turn out that way. The Engineers were harvesting them in attempts to create biological weapons from them. That iteration was probably a part of what got out of control and contributed to the Engineers demise. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. They just go way out into left field and leave you thinking WTF. After telling a spine-tingling ghost story in season one, the FX anthology series American Horror Story took a major twist in year two. Out of interest any really solid aliens novels you can recommend? franchise seems on hold, possibly, as Fox (I think) "rethinks it", but this is Ridley saying you are right re: Covenant 2 and Engineers: http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-awakening---ridley-scott-confirms-engineers-return-alien-covenant-sequel. Because Cameron films never fail at the box office. Area 51 and aliens: the myth, the meme, and the strange reality, explained It’s been 30 years since the public first heard about Area 51. In the beginning of Annihilation, we're shown something traveling through space, breaking through the Earth's atmosphere and falling from the sky to crash into the Lighthouse. Later a queen Xeno bursts from his chest, he sends a warning signal and crash lands on Oragai - 6, now renamed LV-426. We saw how easily Polly was swayed to join The Farm’s cult, so … This is the subreddit to show the world your doodles. I believe though that there's going to be a shakeup in direction (which means possible change of directors), and I'm not saying that Scott will exit the franchise, he will just executive produce/produce it while someone like James Cameron can direct. For fans of James Cameron's 1986 sci-fi classic *Aliens*, or anything else related to the *Alien* franchise (including the *Predator* series, *Prometheus* and *Alien:Covenant*) created by Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon, H. R. Giger, etc. Since Covenant didn't do too well at the box office, I think we can presume that this will have a great influence on what direction Scott may take the story. Dallas? Subscribe ALIEN: LORE - THE MOST POWERFUL SYNTHETIC - DEAN EXPLAINED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs9zZQ0AYtI ALIEN: ORIGIN - HOW DO ALIENS … For fans of James Cameron's 1986 sci-fi classic *Aliens*, or anything else related to the *Alien* franchise (including the *Predator* series, *Prometheus* and *Alien:Covenant*) created by Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon, H. R. Giger, etc. I don't see David returning, especially for that particular Engineer ship. It's funny how pretty much every theory I have heard on here for where they thought the xenomorphs came from is more interesting than what we now have. Just thought of this. The Queen has to make an appearance, imo. I always thought they were ancient, so I thought that would be interesting exploring.
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