The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. You'll want to shoot it much more if you get the 45 colt. The M1911 (Colt 1911 or Colt Government) is a single-action, recoil-operated, semi-automatic pistol chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge. Good article. October 2003 The round was simply not suitable for use in a lever-action or slide action rifle. Then to throw a even shorter colt into the modern mix for 45 colt chambered guns. Find a large selection of handguns from reputable firearm manufacturers at the best prices. The cartridge is listed in Cartridges of the World on page 306 as ".45 Colt - .45 Colt Government". The original load for the 45 Government cartridge for use in the SAA used a 230 gr bullet. And it handles my hot loads just fine. The 45-70 is the most powerful of these cartridges, and as you stated it does cost the most. Lower pressure leads to lower recoil and lower noise levels. to the cartridge during its production. cartridges were made of copper, with the heads and rims formed by shaping normally be found in a rifle case this late in 1882. By using the Cowboy .45 Special case, with its .45 Colt rim and.45 Auto length, the problem no longer exists. . Do you own a Taurus Judge, because that was the original question from the OP? Ive never had an issue with the skinnier .44 magnum nor have I heard of rounds getting under the lifter. A revolver chambered for .454 Casull will fire a .45 Long Colt and a .45 Schofield. Certainly shorter action models are smoother with pistol calibers but the 94 is nowhere near crap. From 1911 to 1986, the Colt Government pistols were some of the gun models dominating wars and not only. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. E-Bay This one may be a reload, as the 405 grain I had a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt that I experimented with max recommended loads since I was a reloader. depth on my June 2004 picture page, including pictures of the components of Im curious if theyve changed the lifter design at some point. No bear gun roundup would be complete without a big-bore cartridge. The fourth cartridge is the .450 No. .50-45 CARBINE & CADET. A clip has no internal spring. All other areas in IL require FOID faxed or scanned and emailed to us on file BEFORE ordering. These days it is the same round. Government Restriction Currently, we are not able to support sales of ammunition to Alaska, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New . I can visualize someone walking into a hardware store around the turn of the last century and asking for a box of .45 Colt's. As the clerk pulls down a box the customer says, "Not the short ones. It's still a popular and versatile round of ammunition, powerful enough to do you some good when taking down game. It runs 902 fps out of the Uberti SA and 1135 fps out of the Uberti M73 carbine. rather than ball loads. 45 Colt (Long Colt) .452 LP 45 GAP .451 LP 45 S&W Schofield .454 LP . These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. The shell casing of the .45 Long Colt is cylindrical with straight sides. For lower level, these loads are great practice, plinking, or target loads. There was by this time a plethora of other handguns offered in this caliber from Ruger, Thompson Center, and various Italian gun makers who replicated the SAA and later the Model 3. The .45s are a very versatile group of cartridges, ranging from the .45 Colt on the bottom end up to the high-velocity champ, the .460 S&W Magnum, at the top end. * If purpose is bear defense, do the hollow points function well at that velocity and do they have sufficient penetration for bears even with that expansion? March 2004 Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. The last five standing traditional lever gun cartridges are the (from left to right) 30-30 Winchester, 357 Magnum, 360 Buckhammer, 44 Magnum, and the 45-70 Government. The perfect deer rifle . Maynard conical style; those in #s 3 and 4 are the heavier Maynard A few years ago Ruger changed the frame to match the colt frame. lead bullet that 28 gr. Wish I could catch them on film doing it. were made at the Frankford Arsenal, and they show many of the changes made The round came back to the forefront in the form of the new sport of Cowboy Action Shooting in the early 1990s. The .45 Long Colt was a product of Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company and the Union Metallic Cartridge Company, which was called Connecticut home. In modern times .45-70 is mostly known to be lever active rifle round, much like the .35 Remington cartridge. Colt 1877 Gatling Gun; Cowboy Lever Guns. first month. * YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. All of it crammed into a copper case 1.285 inches long with an inside, centerfire primer. This style incorporates a Berdan primer in the I skipped the .45 Colt and went for the 454 Casull , but I do pick up the Colt brass people leave at the range just incase I want to load it and shoot a more shooter friendly round . 45 colt is way cheaper. surrounding the ignition hole. #15 - A tinned (worn) brass case Pattern 1888 cartridge headstamped F 3 95. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/, https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo47012-45-70-deer-legal-round-development.html, The Funny Picture/Video Thread, 14th Edition: Ketchup Farts, Dog Sneezes and Misspelled Tattoos, Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section, Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses, View up to date on firearm-related events. Some 21 years after the introduction of the Colt SAA and its .45-caliber round, the military adopted the Model 1892 Colt double-action revolver chambered in a .38 Long Colt cartridge developed in . The first Pattern 1888 cartridges were headstamped F 10 88, but this Loaded over 6 grains of 231, it goes around 760 FPS with hardly any recoil. stood for. Ignorance is cured by facts, and then becomes knowle, 600 Rounds Winchester 5.56 55Grain XM193 FMJ Stripper Clips & Tool $240.00 FREE S&H REBATE, AR-15 Barrel Length Does It Even Matter? I have a 45-70. 45-70 Government (1) 500 S&W (1) 410 Gauge (4) more Cartridge . Takeaway for me is that I own an Old Vaquero in 45 Long Colt. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. As a heavier, rounded bullet, it experiences more drop-off effects than other ammunition. Whatever regulations Indiana adopts next year, the 45/70 (trimmed or full-length) will be a good option for deer hunting. . bullet. Can a .45colt be fired from an ar-15? * [17], Only with the recent introduction of ultra-magnum revolver cartridges, such as the .500 S&W Magnum, have production handguns begun to eclipse the .45-70 Contender in the field of big-game-capable handguns. Winchester, Marlin, Henry, Chiappa, Rossi, Uberti, and Cimmarron all produce lever guns that fit the round. The smokeless cartridge was made beginning in October of 1888. January 2004 Ammo with a wide meplat will occasionally require a jiggle to get it to chamber but other than that its fine. limited or developmental basis, after production of the Morse Pattern 1886 These are not S&W or Schofield cartridges. the lack of proven benefits from the Morse removable base, the tinned brass same flat (unstepped) base as on the one (#5) made in April of 1877, but a The bullets of #s 1 and 2 are the standard Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. Colt Government". Some of the links on this page are affiliate links, meaning at no additional cost to you, Ammoland will earn a commission if you click through and make a purchase. Contents: This example will ship with the Original Colt 1911 vintage box, new Colt 1911 box "for storage/accessory purposes", Original papers and the Original price tag of $21.00 with the matching serial number. Enjoyed the article. small hole in the head of the case. inside primed cartridges in the pictures are much closer together than on Colt Mark IV Series 70 Government Model 45 ACP Original Woodgrain Box W Magazine. from my web page lists, please let me know. Love the POWER the 45. Not very successfull, misfires due to lack of longitudenal support of the cartridge. Otherwise, the 44 mag or 45 Colt are very close to each other, especially in a carbine. God Help us.. Dave, while your comment about clips vs. magazines is correct and overall helpful, that was not the point of Billys comment. The boxes have light shelf and handling wear with . We will have to have a copy of their FFL or their resellers permit. .45-70: 1873 USA a.k.a .45-70 Government. Price: $1,249.95. . Winchester Super X Cowboy Action 45 (Long) Colt 250gr LFN Handgun Ammo - 50 Rounds. way to tell if one of these cartridges is a smokeless or black powder load. collectors have been speculating ever since just what the 'M.P.' It should be a great reduced load for 45-70 too. Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. A .45-70 with a 350gr cast lead bullet (left) compared to a 7.62x51mm (.308 Winchester) cartridge. The people who still refer to it as .45 LC are therefore not necessarily wrong, but still most likely clueless as to exactly why it was called that., ch is why this informative article has that valuable information. Springfield intended it to effectively obsolete the 50-70 Government. was for the regular Army's use of the .45 Government cartridge. It was originally a black-powder revolver round developed for the Colt Single Action Army revolver. They were 250-gr. May 2004 The 45 Colt Government was available commercially from the late 1870's until 1930 and no doubt stores stocked both the 45 Colt Government and 45 Colt's. Someone asking for 45 Colt's would need to specify 45 Colt or 45 Colt Government and no doubt asked for the "long Colts". The chambering selected was a .45 caliber black powder cartridge manufactured by the Union Metallic Cartridge Company of Bridgeport, CT. Two years later Army units began adopting the Smith & Wesson Schofield Revolver for use as an alternate sidearm. made for Navy and militia use until June of 1898, when all production ended No because of the larger rim BUT, you can build or buy an AR in 450 Bushmaster. * #2 is an oddity, appearing to be a mix of Model 1865 and 1873 probably have to wait until a pistol As a means of The Frankford Arsenal ended up dropping the longer round from production in 1887 and solely manufactured the 45 S&W round as the .45 caliber M1887 Military Ball Cartridge until 1892 when it was replaced by the 38 Long Colt round in a new double-action revolver. A variation of the _gat cookie set by Google Analytics and Google Tag Manager to allow website owners to track visitor behaviour and measure site performance. Included during this period was limited production Ammunition cannot be shipped air freight, due to shipping regulations. as is the case with this one. The .45-70 Government has been used to stop more than a few attacking grizzlies, and lever guns have been a top choice among backcountry guides the world over. Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. is an assortment of British big-bore revolver cartridges. Original US Government produced .45 Colt ammunition did not consist of a 255-grain bullet over 40 grains of black powder as is often mistakenly written. I have shot it 40 times in one setting. for .45-70 Government, 45 2-1/10" for .45-70 Government, 45 2-1/10" (56) for .45-90 Winchester & 45 2-4/10" Sharps for .45-90 Winchester & 45 2-4/ . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. produced, headstamped F 3 95. There are few modern cartridges that can match balance of power and portability that the .45-70 Government offers. Grizzly Cartridge 45-70 +P 405 Grain Wide Long Nose Gas Check Pistol Ammunition, 20 $59.99 $3.00/Round. Arsenal, which was not really necessary in 1877, when it was the only #5 - A Berdan (externally) primed cartridge headstamped R 4 F 77. It replaced the Model 1871 Remington Single Shot pistol and a variety of cap-and-ball revolvers that they had converted to metallic cartridges. The .38-55 Winchester is a common type of cartridge that can be labeled as one of the 'grandfathers' when it comes to ammunition used in gun season. the same as the longer .45 Colts, even down to the "W" on the primers. These were loaded in the copper inside primed cases until about August of 1874.. .45 ACP vs 45 Colt. It does not store any personal data. and WRA Co) were producing externally primed ammunition in the early 1870s, Ignorance is cured by facts, and then becomes knowledge. continued as the standard for another five years. Took it home to shoot it. The 405 grain https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo.47012-45-70-deer-legal-round-development.html the third unmarked but probably also made by Kynoch. Don't go thinking the .45 Colt is an antique round. Arms Cheaper to reload if using jacketed bullets. Ammo Inc Signature .45 Colt Ammo 250 Grain TMC 50 Rounds Ammo Inc Signature .45 Colt Ammo 250 Grain TMC 50 . In 1892, the military went with the doomed and underpowered .38 Long Colt, which didn't last long. of 1882, the Frankford Arsenal began producing the 45-70 rifle cartridge The results of their It is a more common round then the other. Any specific suggestions or is it mostly personal preference? You should consider 10% less for starting loads. The .45 Colt loads produced by the US Government's Frankford Arsenal used 30 grains of black powder. So far all I shoot are the 454 Casull rounds loaded with a 300 grain XTP handload . While also known as the .45 Calibre Revolver Ball Cartridge, Model of 1875, the Schofield round used a shorter 1.10 inch case containing a 230 gr. Its my favorite gun and I have had a ton of fun shooting it. Every .45 cal. This anonymous data helps us to better understand users' needs and customize the website accordingly. the carbine were loaded with 55 grains, with paper wads to take up the empty This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. #10 - A rather weary Morse Pattern 1886 cartridge case headstamped F 8 86. upper surface of the rim. Good for you. #7 - An externally primed cartridge headstamped R 1 F 82. arsenal would have a quantity of these Benet cases (perhaps rejects) as well added significantly to production expenses, and this practice was stopped as same time, so the presence or absence of the case cannelure is the obvious the current month's picture page. It is a nice little rifle, lightRead more . In 1909, the New Service Revolver took its place using the .45 M1909 round, nearly identical to the .45 Long Colt. The 'R' identifies this as a rifle Their address will go into the shipping address on our order form. Even though the .45 Colt cartridge was used as an official military caliber, at the time, mil specRead more . Ballisticians saw the case length and powder capacity to be the equivalent of the 44 Magnum and capable of launching a heavier bullet at higher pressure and velocity than its predecessors. I know. cartridges actually did see some use in the field, and don't just exist in This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. indicating that the arsenal continued to work on the tinned brass case on a I hunt with a 450 bushmaster and am well pleased with the results. Bryce M. Towsley. Not sure what 45 Colt Government is but 45 Colt will always be the love of my life in cartridges. This date is a The .45 Long Colt also set the stage for several other rounds, namely the powerful .454 Casull. Quantserve sets the mc cookie to anonymously track user behaviour on the website. month and year it was made, this one being part of that first month's Thinking long and hard without factual information only begets resolute ignorance. 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