By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. Most people collaborate, and sometimes I've been in collaborations where the person is basically just using me as a sounding board, and that's all that's required. Basically, youre witnessing the birth of the Traveling Wilburys. And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. Merrill Lynch CEO Stan O'Neal, shown in a 2003 file photo, is a numbers person in what is, at its heart, a people business. So you spend so much energy worrying about itif I knew at 20 that, hell, I was gonna be okay, and be sitting in front of the fire at 45God, I could have saved myself so many gray hairs and brain blowouts, you know! Thats how, in a very roundabout way, Warren Zanes, a deputy professor at New York University, came to write Petty: The Biography, a new book about one of rocks most enigmatic figures, and his band, the Heartbreakers. Now which one is it? I had to forget all that. I mean I'd say thatjoy and curiosity have overwhelmed stagnation and bitterness. Those that have done their homework and that are honest and humble, you can't stop 'em! Collaboration is a whole other thing, you have to let the collaboration happen, and that's a wonderful lesson to learn. I didn't know that there were good and bad ways to make it. And he died soon after. I just learn from them., Campbell feels the same way. I had to remind myself that I was full-grown man. The eleven-year-old who first heard Breakdown was always close. I don't think I have ever watched a drummer being interviewed that was so relatable. He had had encounters with people who did heroin, and he hit a point in his life when he did not know what to do with the pain he was feeling. Stan Lynch . Stan Lynch by Patrick Berkery When Tom Petty was asked to describe original Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch in the 2005 book Conversations With Tom Petty, the bandleader responded with, "Stan. For puttin' up with that - God bless 'em! And so when they became, quote, rock stars they thought they were better than other people. I didn't know; I was so unsophisticated. 'Cause I want to sign bands that are legitimately talented. Rolling Stone is a part of Penske Media Corporation. Sojust pick a time. But a lot of that has calmed down. It became like, "Well that's pretty stupid that he's not acknowledging this." Again, in his own way. He remembered me from the tours. I'm Bihter. I was ashamed. That was another experience for me, says Lynch. Among the acts that Tom Petty took with him on the tour for his 1987 album, Let Me Up (Ive Had Enough), was the Del Fuegos, a Boston-based roots-rock band with ties to the New York hardcore scene. So you never bought into the whole idea that rock'n'roll is just for rebellious kids?No, it wasn't a personal rebellion for meit was a joy and also a way for me to draw attention to myself [laughter], which was what I always wanted to do. Lynch isnt looking for thespotlight anymore, though, according to his interview last week. I've always been that guy, you know like the Roadrunner cartoon, like "What if I go ahead and blow this up, what'll happen?" Completely separate from all that, of course, is the fact that Stan Lynch really is an extremely great drummer. When youve worked with bands like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers,Aretha Franklin, Stevie Nicks andthe Eagles, its not a strange thing to be interviewed. ), Drummer Talk 271 Agents and Managers 301, Recycled Percussion to perform in Super Bowl Pre-Show, Semisonic Drummer Slips on Ice, Breaks Hand. We have the same musical pulse we always had, says Campbell. 2023 Rolling Stone, LLC. He could have handled things better, and his mistakes were mainly related to miscommunication and immaturity. He now resides in St. Augustine, Florida, not far from his and his former bandmates' home town of Gainesville. I love the scale of life here I always have, drummer Stan Lynch told the crowd of about 80 people listening attentively in plastic folding chairs. [laughter] You know, mining the same belly button lint for the 10,000th time. We want to hear it. If I ran a record label, probably one of the first things I'd do is drop half the roster. And I was poised to do that. Also: recaps of my international speaking engagements and pop culture oral histories featuring beloved figures of books, music, TV, and movies who rarely if ever have been interviewed. This article was published more than7 years ago. "Oh! The other night I looked down during that song and there was a woman in the front just sobbing, says Campbell. Zanes also coaxed Stan Lynch, the ex-drummer of Petty's longtime backing band, The Heartbreakers, to talk unflinchingly about his falling-out with Petty. So we're even! If you listen to the old records, Stan and I are pushing, were locked, and lot of times were driving the songs. He couldnt go from music into politics, and Bruce Springsteen could. How do you think you can keep that going?Discipline. He was the original drummer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for 18 years until his departure in 1994. [1] Early years [ edit] Lynch was born in Cincinnati, [2] Ohio, U.S., and moved to Gainesville, Florida, in the early 1960s. Drummer Talk 273 So you want to MD! He then joined Eagles for 'Hell Freezes Over' and went on tour with. When I heard what happened, it put me right down on my knees, literally. I'd be in a band with him tonight if he'd let me. But I don't buy that whole thingI think most musicians really want attention and they want to be heard, and it's great! How deep into your hole of shit do you need to go? When I heard from Mike, I almost said, Thats probably not a good fit, but I appreciate the offer. Its not just because you need the band to make the music. What do you do if you yourself manage to keep your head on straight but you're working closely with someone who can't?I've had that experience, and it was really painful because I was so young I didn't really know what was happening. I was playing way too much, trying way too hard. And I thought, Okay well, youre being paid like its main gig. I had a feeling that the dough was the only reason he hadnt walked off yet.. Despite those undercurrents or perhaps partly because of them, the partnership often served as a perfect vehicle for Lynch's talents. Copyright 2023 Modern Drummer Publications. I wasnt a good story. Other guys in the band were going like [growling], "Nobody lets me sleep anymore. Artists, Interviews Jimmy Iovine is known to have obsessed over the drum sound in Pettys 1979 album Damn the Torpedos, which Iovine produced, and Lynch became the object of his frustration. Warren became vice-president of educational programs for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The angst actuallywhat draws most people in drives me away. At 45, Stan Lynch appears to be comfortably making the transition from archetypal wild rock drummer to trusted elder statesman - all the while retaining the same enthusiasm that made him stand out as a drummer, showing a keen interest in helping young artists through the struggles of building a career. And I also probably would have told myself, don't waste any moments in terms of those six months between tours, where Tom's writing, you should be writing too. And when the set lists and all that stuff went away, I was really lost. Im not really there emotionally, he says. I'm interested in rock music, literature, cinema, and doing research in Cultural Studies. John needs Paul. He wrote songs, they recorded those songs, they put a record together with artwork, they released it, and they went out on the road to support it. Stanley Joseph "Stan" Lynch (born May 21, 1955) is an American musician, songwriter and record producer. I could have moved forward without him. In light of your experience of being in a band for so long, what advice would you give to band leaders to help the chemistry; what do you think is the best possible way to bring out everybody's creativity in a band situation?The truth of the matter is the best bands, including the Beatles and the Stones and the Who, have a core of creative fire to them that needs to be nurtured before the other people need to be nurtured. It was really my only ticket to ride, that was it. I take care of my life, I can cook, I can do other things, but music is everything that it always was - it's still the biggest goddamn thing in my life. And they don't! It's great when you actually find somebody that doesn't hear music the way you do and you start to love them for it. Not all artists understand that. What do you do in that situation?I think the real question then would be: what are you in it for? And whatever I was playing in didnt even feel like a band. When original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch was let go from the group in 1995 or "excommunicated," to use his own term he started a new chapter of his life in Florida as. www.moderndrummer.com "You're never fired, you're just not asked to do the next thing". 6,156. There are so many records out there now that it's harder to stand out.Yeah, right, it's like, everybody's super-talented and everybody's a genius and everybody's signed, and I don't care! Bio; Contact. So it helps you to get your own inspiration back to be able to really learn to listen to somebody else.Yeah, because usually musicians don't listen, they just critique. . And thats not a judgment on Bruce. Guitar Saved Me!: Jeff Beck Looks Back in Never-Before-Heard Interview Audio We got together and played at that and talked and were friendly, Petty said in 2007. 'Cause I mean, an artistic life is a pretty bizarre life anyway, a lot of artists don't ever get paid till they're dead, they're not even noticed - and even then! 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What do you do if you've had a long run of success and then your music goes out of style with the public taste, your sales are flagging, and there is a lot of pressure from people to change. Zanes also had access to the Heartbreakers. In a recent interview, Lynch recalled some of his most memorable experiences, including his 2002 . April 25, 2022 Andrew Gulden 1. #10. Tons of them. You stumble upon George Harrison, Jeff Lynne, and Petty in Pettys office, jamming. I went and I gave Tom and his family a copy of an Ann Peebles record. That's how I see it now. I felt like all of the uniforms and emotional and metaphysical stuff about being a drummer, Id sort of outgrown. Don Henley Called Stan Lynch As He Wanted To Record His New Album Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer and famous record producer Stan Lynch has worked with various bands and musicians, such as the Eagles, the Byrds, Bob Dylan, Stevie Nicks, and many more. But the last time I tried, I dont know if he was in a better spot, I reduced it to, Stan, I will fly down there, rent a car, come to your door for 20 minutes. Ok, here's another attempt to post my Stan Lynch interview. Show Reviews. We apologized to each other for being assholes and young and stupid, says Campbell. And he did it very respectfully. Tom Petersson from Cheap Trick - didn't hurt him! The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame drummer-turned-successful songwriter/producer (for Don Henley, The Eagles, The Mavericks, Ringo Starr, and Tim McGraw, among others) and tree farmer (a gig he describes as part Zen, part holding on for dear life, and not unlike playing with Bob Dylan) is an opinionated, intelligent guy who doesnt mince words or sugarcoat memories. I'm very comfortable with it. Last week, Stan Lynch was interviewed at the Matheson Museum in Gainesville, Florida. And at the beginning of that second day, it began with Stan asking, Do you mind if I lie on the couch. I was lucky enough to be the guy taping it when he let a lot of that stuff out. I sat down at the drums and I didnt know whether to cry or barf. I never knew how it got there, but it sure wasnt left over from the night before. So I think that if you're flat, if you've hit a point where you just don't know where the hell to turn, that's usually somebody's way of saying, "Man, you need a bro.". You first encounter Petty as a fan and then, youre in this rock band, the Del Fuegos, and opening up for these guys. The list goes on, but this'll get you started! It's inevitable that some shit is gonna fly. A lot of the times Id just be focused on what I was doing, but then Id turn around and be like, My God, its Lynch and hes fuckin smoking it! And then I was working with Rick Rubin on a session I think it. Stan Lynch Heartbreaking Rhythm. Another intense moment in the show is Southern Accents. Midway through the tour, Campbell changed the lyrics from Theres a dream I keep having where my mama comes to me/And kneels over by the window and says a prayer for me to Theres a dream I keep having where my brother comes to me Its a change of just one word, but its had a profound impact on the crowd. Tom Petty was always part of the bands DNA. A series of writing projects followed, which lead to Petty asking Zanes to write the biography. His last words to me where, I heard you, man. That was 30 years ago. What is important is your musical contribution, and to do your job. I get it. I was still young and I didnt really understand what he meant by groove and feel. I remember asking Denny, What does that mean, can you quantify that? If I look up and see Mike Campbells butt in front of my drum kit, its kind of like Im home., Opening night in Boulder was heavy on material from the two Dirty Knobs albums, but they also dipped into the Heartbreakers catalog with songs like Refugee, Runnin Down a Dream, Southern Accents, and You Wreck Me. As the days went by, they started sprinkling in additional oldies like Listen to Her Heart, When the Time Comes, and Casa Dega., Im still learning to be a singer, says Campbell. So I wanted to put the drums down. Stan Lynch's income source is mostly from being a successful . But I think he did because hes had his own experiences with books that portray his heroes as humans. Id need you to play a leg of the tour. But I don't know if you've jumped through enough hoops and had enough discipline to make a record worth listening to unless you are Jimi Hendrix. His aunt hounds him for autographs at funerals. If you're actually really good, and they don't get it, you can actually believe that you're wrong and they're right. It's really nothing to have a record deal now, it doesn't mean anything. At one point, he said, Warren, Im going to have to answer questions about this for the rest of my life. And I said, I know.. [laughter] And the trick is to stay out of your own way, and to stay out of everybody else's way. Its a moment in which these guys, no matter how corny it might sound, they were kind of falling in love with each other. When hes telling the story about how his father beat the shit out of him at age five, its hard not to feel something., I cant pretend to know everything that was going through his mind in telling me these things, Zanes added. But if its all of us without Tom, theres this big hole in the room. It was almost like in Men In Black. That may be. I was very grateful. It's usually somebody that has the seed of an idea that he's gonna protect. -Liberty DeVitto Hewitt2 Senior Member Sep 15, 2020 #2 His parts fit those TP songs so well. Lynch talked to Zanes for two days straight about his long years of having to prove that he was the right drummer. Which is great, I mean, that means you certainly don't have to compromise! Stan Lynch. There was a lot of miscommunication and a lot of immature shit going down. He described us as not his main gig. I don't know, I can only speak from my own experience. Call somebody you respect. Print Profile Email Profile View Stanford-only Profile Tab Menu . His feel somehow combines the loose gallop of great classic rock'n'roll with the unrelenting tension of barely contained energy. It may be time to change channels. Dan Baird and Stan Lynch Team Up for New LP: Interview Matt Wardlaw Published: July 16, 2020 The Chefs Don't let the name of the new project by ex- Georgia Satellites frontman Dan Baird and. You can actually remain on the pedestal that youve earned as an artist. I felt like, perhaps, Id made all the noise I could. Stephen Lynch Science & Engineering Assoc, Chemistry. Theres more to this interview! And its a new life. But it's a wonderful thing to know that I'm on a journey now. And it reverberated for years, some people never got over it. Like, if Jimi Hendrix had quit when the first 3 guys rejected himI'm just using Hendrix because he's such an icon to me. And George Harrison looks at me and says, Its Brian Jones, back from the dead. Of course, George knows enough what a man who wants an autograph looks like. . Having Stan [Lynch] play on that is very cool. Stan Lynch joined Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers in 1974 when Petty's piano player Benmont Tench recruited him. Oh yeah, that one never changed. The old, art commerce divide where people go, oh, its too commercial. The other thing, I was just talking to somebody who was watching a live Tom Petty concert on a computer, no between-song banter. At the end of the process, as was their agreement, Zanes sent Petty the book, and then flew out to California to hear his judgment in person. You just have to be man enough to hear it, rather than keep trying to change it. Send us a tip using our anonymous form. Even in the second grade, it was like, the nice way of putting it on the report card: "He seems to be a leader!" Among his more pointed criticisms concern the song "Stop Draggin' My Heart. I can't worry about that - it would be so pathetic! Opt out through the unsubscribe link in any marketing email. A totally different sound, yet completely him., Zanes enrolled in Loyola and spent the next twelve years in universities, eventually getting a Ph.D. from Rochester University in Cultural Studies. Is there an example of Stan Lynch being behind the beat on a Tom Petty song? Stan Lynch, the band's longtime drummer, who eventually quit in 1994, is unsurprisingly the most critical of Petty. ', Editors picks I couldn't believe that I was the odd man out. Family of Tom Petty Partners With Gun Safety Group for Voting Ad, One night, they started warming up backstage by singing Stories We Could Tell, an obscure John Sebastianpenned song that Petty and the Heartbreakers often played in their early days. Petty was our guy. And then kind of pushed me in. I don't get the angst. Then Covid Trapped Them There. For Zanes, the tour should have been heaven on earth. I dont know what it would mean to them since they have a lot more miles than I do, but it would be a joy for me., Campbell says hes not ready for something like that. Later on, Stan Lynch worked with many other prominent names like the Eagles, Eddie Money, Toto, and Ringo Starr. And theres plenty more as Zanes, granted full access, reports on the creation of not just Pettys biggest records, Damn the Torpedoes, and Full Moon Fever, but his less appreciated gems, including 1999s Echo. Zanes is more than a fan: In 1987, his band, the Del Fuegos, opened gigs for their hero. I have the slang and the cadence and the understanding of how those songs are supposed to be translated. The funny thing is, I really wanted to fit in so desperately, even up to the bitter end. But other times I've been in a room where you just strike an E chord and the guy starts singing. So you pick a really good time, when everybody's sober, when you've got everyone's attention, and usually you preface it with a lot of love and caring, or a desire to see a full life with them. And I think among American rock-and-roll bands, theyre the very best. They preferred the punkier numbers, like Even the Losers and Refugee, to the Byrds-ier T.P. ), Looking back at that intense time all these years later, Lynch says he wishes hed handled the situation a bit differently. He didnt want it to be authorized because he felt like authorized meant bull-, says Warren Zanes, whose Petty: The Biography arrives next month. I didnt talk to the Bogdanovich people, Lynch says. If a band leader had any energy left over to encourage others, they could, and it's good to include people. So, in some ways it's harder for the same reasons it's easier, if that makes any sense. You have left the Del Fuegos.
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