That is why you see no academic papers about how they treated and attempted to heal Teena. It allows the individuals that commit violent crimes to be glamorized, to feel gratitude for the crimes they committed. Your opinions and logic are flawed and you make more of a case that she truly identified as a male than you do believing she was just mentally and emotionally screwed up. Nissen knew that Teena was biologically female and he desired her sexually, same with Lotter. Teena Brandon was competing with Nissen for status, he was her chauffeur, and she lied about a lot of things to inflate her position. Brandon : I hate your life, too. The latter film, a surprise hit, helped raise awareness of the intolerance faced by people in the LGBT community. One of the symptoms of mental illness is behavioral inadequacy in social situations. That, then, reflects a capacity to reason, to scheme and to that degree militates against the notion that they should not be considered culpable. Thanks. However, their two-month relationship is described as very intense. Crime is crime regardless of any so-called prejudice involved. This is interesting, because she loudly bemoaned lack of facial hair, and her monthly periods. I think its possible to deserve the death penalty without it being right to administer it but this is a debate for another time. Killing others in retribution might make you personally feel good, but I see it as the state undermining the sanctity of human life. What Happened to Brandon Teenas Most Famous Ex? In August 2020, Lana suffered a new tragedy when her Ford pickup crossed a center line and fatally injured Chrysler minivan driver Glenn D. Aston in a head-on crash in Fairview, Kansas. 6 OTHERS, THAT Honestly thats what I had thought all these years. Lotter and Nissen, portrayed by actors Peter Sarsgaard and Brendan Sexton III, were already in prison for murder by the time the movies came out. Teena Brandon and Nissen drove to Lincoln, NE together on more than one occasion, once for Teenas Court appearance, and another time to see Teenas sister to get some money. Its the person who REALLY matters, not the accidental characteristics that overtake and make abstract the person in the chattering (or twittering) of liberals. One was trying to be happy in his own body and the other two supported him. It costs more to house death row inmates, who are held in segregated sections, in individual cells, with guards delivering everything from daily meals to loo paper. Apparently an act Teena put on for Lana. He got into drunken trouble again and his parents did not bail him out of jail. Was she taking steroids for transition? Your perspective illustrates why intelligent discussion of this issue cant be had with some people, who instead of addressing the argument criticise the person whose argument they dont like or dont understand. Also, DP trials are more expensive for several reasons: they often require extra lawyers; there are strict experience requirements for attorneys, leading to lengthy appellate waits while capable counsel is sought for the accused; security costs are higher. Gender is a social construct, hence fluid; sex is an empirical fact, hence fixed Its a shame theres rampant confusion about this (not by you, of course). Teena Brandon was biologically female and she responded emotionally like a woman. I will choose, I will determine, how I express myself as I understand it relates to the world and its people. BEING TARGETED,FOR BEING A TRANS MAN! John Lotter is most definitely at the head of the class on the Nebraska death row. He failed to treat her underlying problems (and then a reasonably stabilized person could make a determination what they want). Even if we accept that Lotters to all intents and purposes an 8-y-o (I dont, necessarily), he is clearly very dangerous and likely needs incarceration for life. Teena was an awesome girl! I agree Marc, but this is one of those cases where the 95% wont let facts et in the way of feelings so to speak. Interestingly, although Nissen reportedly has an IQ score in the 80s, Dunne, who corresponded with him in prison, said that Nissen read and understood books written by Dunnes wife, the literary journalist Joan Didion. Teena suffered from OCD, Alcohol Abuse, an eating disorder. She took more religion electives in school than she did art. The bottom line is these men knew she identified as a man. now people can say or feel it was not a dangerous inversion of sexual identity but the consequences of any choice determine its nature, and she/he had a lot problems because of it including being murdered by a couple of monsters. When I say that Teena Brandon was awesome, I mean it. This week, well take a little sabbatical from Forensic Files to observe the 25th anniversary of Brandon Teenas murder a true-crime case little known outside of Nebraska until Hollywood came knocking. Lana herself suffered injuries requiring hospitalization, but she has since recovered. IVE RELOCATE, 3 Teena Brandons psychological symptoms were the result of early childhood exposure to criminality, domestic violence against her mom and her sister, and alcohol abuse first. The film also starred Chloe Sevigny as his girlfriend Lana Tisdel. As a physician who provides gender-affirming care for trans persons, as well as primary care for all members of the LGBTQIA+ communities, Ive been humbled and blessed for the privilege of being inspired by their individual journeys. Lana Tisdel testified in Court that she saw both, Teena Brandon and Tom Nissen, for the first time at the Oasis Bar, and it appears that the two were there together. There is also indication that Teena took Tom Nissen to her mothers trailer home. In August 2020, Lana suffered a new tragedy when her Ford pickup crossed a center line and fatally injured Chrysler minivan driver Glenn D. Aston in a head-on crash in Fairview, Kansas. Required fields are marked *. Lanas father, L.L. Sevigny is known for her roles as Lana Tisdel in 'Boys Don't Cry' (1999), Nicolette Grant in 'Big Love' (2006-2011) for which she won a Golden Globe for Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role in a Series, Miniseries or Motion Picture Made for Television in 2010 and Alicia . And as a gay man myself, I can say that weve had enough of having our stories heteronormalized to make people like you feel more comfortable. LOT OF ENEMIES FOR ME! It had to have been Lana's mother told them where he was. Its one of the women he dated source the original Village voice article. Sheriffs deputies who interacted with her in jail liked her, and later testified that she upbeat and optimistic, talking with them about life in general, and that after the rape, Teena was different she seemed downtrodden and her voice was dead. Retardedness is not necessarily illness such that the perp could not reasonably discern right from wrong. Jones leaves stuff out. The quasi-medical needle is a dishonest compromise to render death more palatable to the public (and is not necessarily quick and painless the practical justification.) Life without parole is done with, while enabling opportunity to reverse a terrible wrong, regardless of the morality of the death penalty. Thanks much for the correction on Joan Didion I have edited accordingly! After sentencing, prices continue to rise. Lotter is from a prominent local family with many relatives and they are invested in saving him. Being slow, stupid or whatever is in principle different from moral indifference. He offered some sort of an apology that is written in a totally contrived language. Unfortunately Teena Brandon was the indigent patient under state care, and all they did, was giver her a handout about trans people. In addition, according to a State Police report, Teenas sister was trying to get her into a program that helps survivors of rape and domestic violence, and intake staff told her that Tom Nissen had raped other local girls and that the Shriffs Office had failed to prosecute Nissen and that at least two were in their program, so the program staff were aware of Nissen. Initially friendly, Lotter and Nissen soon began to harass Teena and Tisdel and scrutinize their relationship. Im pro trans-rights. You stole the gun. None of it is extremely unusual. AM LOOKING FOR CLEAN, SAFE, Nissen served five years as a juvenile previously and he worked as the prison psychologists aide, helping with the classification of inmates. Teena is a female, so refer to her as she. Too bad, Lotter got more help from the well meaning morons trying to get him off the death row than Teena got from highly paid professionals whose job it was to help her. Tom Nissen has a great mask of sanity, and all of the journalists talk to him to get information. Teena Brandon did the opposite, making herself susceptible to domestic violence, that she was running away from, but never learned to handle. However, i do think its silly that one is on death row and the other has life. Its 27 years later. If all they did was kill her, you could have made the argument they did it only because she ratted on them. Your email address will not be published. One last point, there is a Teena Brandons funeral photo just before her coffin goes into the ground. It should be mocked and rejected as deeply dangerous. I AM UNDER CONSTANT Nebraska isnt one of the six states that allow conjugal visits. STALKED, Thats all for this week. Pretty as ever. Indeed, CA estimated then that is cost 10 times more than lifers cost. Teena Brandon really wanted to be a soldier. Just pointed out that you agree with Lotter and Nissen. They accepted him, except they didnt. She dressed, talked, walked and got into much trouble by identifying that way. 1 How many Post Op Transmen do you know who joined the military? This was apparently with all of the censorship of social media on only one side of the conversation. Its incoherent nonsense but its everywhere; and right- (with a small r) thinking people feel too cowed by vicious liberal intolerance to call a spade a spade and say wait a minute arent you getting a bit carried away? On top of that, Teena Brandons tragedy was shamelessly exploited to make money and everyone is waiting to be paid by the next Steven Spielberg. Rather than rant, Ill simply state that Im perfectly content to use whatever pronoun a person would prefer, as the likely kind thing to do; and Brandon would seemingly have wished to be known as he. The biggest problem with the PC Brigade appropriating Teena Brandon as a transgender icon is that they overlook the real person who lived and died. Yes, she became an Issue, much as Matthew Shephard did when he was murdered by two scumbags, after which far more silliness issued. I also know how Teena Brandon reacted to certain things, and she reacted as a girl. No, they told him. No visible means of support. it does not matter what his agab (assigned gender at birth) is, he identified as a man and used he/him pronouns and you need to respect that. Lotter also describes Teena was staring at him while Nissen was pulling her pants off at the party and was groping her. Teena was displacing other people staying with Lambert. They then drove to the house of Lisa Lambert, where Brandon had been hiding out. WHERE ARE THE VICTIMS APPEALS TO THEIR HORRIFIC DEATHS?? Having said that, Teena Brandon talked about going to Nashville and becoming the manager of Lana Tisdels KARAOKE singing career. For what? They knew each other. They deposited him in his crib before they fled. Im also happy to call Brandon whatever his preference was, too. Not just that, he based his writing on certain assumptions, did not follow through with research and fact checking, missing certain key events revealed in court testimony and police reports. If you are interested in the Matthew Sheppards case there was some interesting controversy surrounding the Steve Jimenez book written about him, The Book Of Matt. Full disclosure I dont believe in the death penalty either. Nobody is in school at that point, Lana having graduated the previous spring. The killers spared the life of Lamberts baby son, Tanner. But they raped her, the one thing men do to assert dominance and humiliation. Brandon was born female, but felt male inside. Wanna follow Lana Tisdel's net worth? It just gets a little confusing sometimes because you see a picture of him as a little girl and then as a teenage boy. Other family members and associates include Joshua Bachman, Gary Bachman, Scott Bachman and Stephanie Bachman. Evil men have made everyone secondary to mathematical artifice that is a compound interest scam and that aint freedom, thats slavery worse than any fuedal system before the Magna Carta and theyve made it so Lawyers swear an oath not to tell you the truth of of a totally corrupt system, so you in fact pay for their freedom and theft of an entire planet, and poor old Brandon is just another symptom of the intentional pressure theyve put on everyone from a once proud and basically Christian Democracy that if it got its crap in order could drill em a new one (a Christian democracy which incidentally banned compound interest usury on pains of death so of course they are going to try and distort the truth of that scenario) and was murdered in 63 and most likely by those you helped but think they own you. THREATENED, Part of it is that her family clammed up. HOUSING! Have you read any forensics work on the crime scene? It was a girl, not a boy. Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. Nebraska isnt one of the six states that allow conjugal visits.. Its not interested in what the average American thinks, because it patronisingly regards him/her as too stupid: a person who NEEDS to be told what to think. Everyone exploited Teena Brandons murder in the most disgusting way possible. If you really want to honor someone, you should use their correct name. Quit wasting tax payers money on these disgusting bags of dung. Except, what homework? But investigative reporters dig, except not in this case. She wanted to be a commercial artist. and socially was worlds apart. People traumatized by torture suffer in a certain way when they realize that they are going to be tortured again, and Lotter noticed and attempted to describe it, without knowing what it is. . Once the lie has a toe in the door, your in for a huge amount of trouble and it will just get worse the more hogwash you entertain. Both him and Nissen deserve a bullet to the back of the head, and it would be a kindness. Sorry if this seems pedantic, but care over words is important on a matter such as this, which is both controversial (biology v social construct / sex v gender) and generates much nonsense. Second, A male environmental activist grad school type decided to live among the Hobos, 2010s, he had a made a mistake of pitching his tent near a mentally ill person. Blown out and lonely. She spent two years working at a Mc Donalds restaurant, and they wanted her, a high school drop out to go on the management track. There are situations where it doesnt matter who you think you are or you identify with you either handle it, or you dont, and Teena was responding emotionally to domestic violence, rape and beating as a girl. According to Jones book Lana Tisdel is sitting in the car, when Teena walks up to her. You people need to have some respect. Lana herself suffered injuries requiring hospitalization, but she has since recovered. Who knows? I believe that this is Teenas own research into her Celtic identity. Apart from the television works, this American has also appeared in movies. It costs you nothing to be respectful of something you claim to be imagined anyway. Incidentally, Boys Dont Cry and the documentary got it all wrong. OCCASIONS, The two then kidnapped Teena and took him to a rural area, where they raped and beat him. I suggest you leave the diagnosing to the real medical professionals like the doctor who commented here. Intellectual? This article gets some things wrong, but it is great for background information. Your email address will not be published. So, all hate crime is crime, but not all crime is a hate crime. To begin, certain segments of the gay male culture are mysogenist in themselves, and someone like Teena did not belong there. Dissolute youths. She has become more striking with maturity. After moving to Falls City from his hometown of Lincoln, Brandon met a 19-year-old woman named Lana Tisdel and swept her off her feet. She was hurt as a woman, she suffered as a woman, and her murder was a crime of violence against women. Thanks, Rebecca: What an appalling case! Among other things, Teenas gay male cousins claimed that Teena showed them the part of Lincoln, known as The Loop, where men go cruising for younger men. Talk about back water to down trash. I hate people talking about Teena as Brandon. Biological sex is assigned at birth. When a inmate is sentenced he has no rights. She is from United States. Really, read up on the outlaw biker violence against women and how Nissen beat Teena by kicking and punching her in the belly every time he beat her. Its not clear what type of work she does or whether she and her husband are still together. She rearranges the order of the events for dramatic effect. You be the judge. Tisdel died in 2007 at the age of 71. Nothing I stated agrees with Lotter and Nissen (are you privy to their mindset, motivation, opinion, and argument as if they had a brain cell between them?) Until next time, cheers. THAT MADE A Its unclear whether Lotter and Nissen were ever employed or what they did otherwise to obtain beer and gas money before their arrests for murder. Stop calling him a she or a her. 1 Antagonist. Another example of Aphrodite Jones changing facts is as follows: Lisa Lambert throws a birthday party for Teena. You can watch the documentary about the case on YouTube. Their motive couldve been for multiple reasons multiple reasons why she angered them. Aphrodite Jones account is a stripped and streamlined screenplay version to a point that court testimony shows a totally different version of the event. A lot of women join military and jump out of airplanes, and most of them are not LGBTQ. Lotter told Teena that he liked her and hoped to be with her, after she was released from jail and everyone found out that she was female. You seem to know much about the case. In Ca 10 years ago, it cost an extra $90,000 per inmate to imprison someone sentenced to death. Lots of people oppose the death penalty both in moral and practical terms. Based on things she said, Teena reacted emotionally as a female, not a male to the rape and beating. You are too ready to believe bad reporting and poor journalism. Lana herself suffered injuries requiring hospitalization, but she has since recovered. He gave Lana a blank check for a perm, but she used it to pay Brandons $250 in bail instead. Lana was one of the key witnesses in the case because of her status as Brandon's girlfriend. Marriage while incarcerated should be abolished and prohibited. A final thought: Id be interested to know why they saved the baby. Tisdel has made it clear that her relationship with Brandon Teena was brief and did not include sex; only lasting about two months from their first meeting until the murder. Are they? I think both you guys should be sitting on death row myself. Brandon died at the hands of two low lifes named John Lotter and Marvin Thomas Nissen just before New Years Day of 1994. Menu. Second, read the account of Teena and her gay cousins in the Village Voice article, then see her gay cousins testimony in the Brandon Teena story how Teena would disappear for a couple of hours and come back with food, $200 $300, and it would be his. What you tolerate, you had better be prepared to suffer. There was a lot going on between them and it tied them to other individuals. It just gets murkier and murkier until its a free for all like those two Australian pedophiles that were pimping out a 6 year old boy and seemed to think there was nothing wrong with it. Hilary Swank was cast as Brandon and Chlo Sevigny as Lana, and the final result won over . Who were they? A bunch of quarreling friends, a teen-age tragedy of too much booze and a drunken misunderstanding. I have seen it occur before. Three arrested after student Aya Hachem killed in drive-by shooting in Blackburn By the time he was 21, Brandon was identifying solely as a man and moved in with his 18-year-old girlfriend, Lana. Struggle to survive. Falls City is a small town, and all of these families were well-acquainted; Lana's best friend was Michelle Lotter, John's sister. I was there. If you think that life of crime, addiction and mental illness is living authentically to masculine gender identity, I pity you. The Great Pretender- Disappointment- Case File- Something Precious- You Win Again- Baby It's You 2. Tenna is an old American West name, a girls name. Im going to practice social distancing because it seems that you might have an infected heart. I got three, and two got none of the notoriety because it did not involve any identity issues. In the fall of 1993, Tisdel, aged 18, met Brandon Teena, 20, through their mutual friends. Brandons mother, JoAnn, won $80,000 in a civil suit against the county for failing to arrest Lotter and Nissen immediately after the rape charges were filed. Decide for yourselves. Teena was actually staying at Tom Nissens house. Nissen signed statements & testifies against you, Lotter. Teena Brandon liked Sprite soda and the old Whatchmacallit candy bars, the old ones came with real peanuts, cookie crisp and liquidy gooey caramel. Lana M. Tisdel (born May 28, 1975)[2] is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the December 1993 murders of Brandon Teena, Lisa Lambert and Phillip DeVine, at the hands of John Lotter and Tom Nissen, is chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry (which left out DeVine). You may say what does this have to do with Brandon Teena, but isnt that name just another reversal of the truth her being born as Tina Brandon and isnt the entire world backwards by design, and by a minute fraction of the population enslaving us all? When Lotter and Nissen found out that their recently acquired drinking buddy who was dating Lotters former flame Lana Tisdel was actually a woman whose real name was Teena Brandon, they became enraged. In addition, it wasnt sex abuse trauma that aggravated her condition. Lana Tisdel, her sister Leslie, and mother Linda were all involved in the criminal trial and later lawsuits that followed the murder and later, movie development. Teena Brandon was great, because she had a personal strength ethic of heroic proportions. In the morning, the newcomer was dead. I agree with Jude. Judges unsympathetic. Im happy to refer to people as they wish so long as Im not asked to deny biological sex. I look forward to brand new updates and will talk about this website with my Facebook group. This was the last person who saw the three people alive. Based on conversations Teena had with people after the rape, in the car on the way from the hospital and with her sister, emotionally, Teena Brandon was a girl, as opposed to bring a mature woman. It is a temper tantrum because he could not find a screen play in Teena Brandons tragedy. Thereafter Teena actively cooperated, helping the police find the location of the rape, which was ten miles away and out in the dark. By same token, any number of women refer to themselves in the masculine in their internal stream of consciousness He being a default for anything not being directly associated with the Female and Feminine. Males react differently when subjected to the same. Nissen was not so ignorant. Not to mention, Brandons murder was in retaliation for his reporting the rape. The real question is, why was Teena locking eyes with Lotter, ad not with Lana, her girlfriend, or anybody else, why Lotter? All of the psychological issues Teena Brandon suffered from may be common pathology of the gay and transgender, but Teenas mental illness was the result of confirmed child sexual abuse and possible incest, and one other thing. He once bolted from a courtroom trying to escape in shackles and got as far as the steps outside the Courthouse. Although a slightly irrelevant issue, there is concern here in UK that gender dysphoria is too readily assigned, particularly to children, who are (unbelievably) almost encouraged to consider whether they should be the other sex on slim grounds. We all wonder what on earth theyre doing the answer being fetishising the murderous/rapist/criminal object. Read an update on Lana Tisdel and her mother. How much bad luck are you going to have until you realize it aint luck at all? For that, she paid with her life. Teena Brandon was a much better actress, a vaudevillian, than she was an pencil and paper artist. He was born a girl but cut his hair short and styled himself as a boy. See the difference? I guess for now ill settle for bookmarking and adding your RSS feed to my Google account. The best way to see Teenas tragedy is as the crime of domestic violence and of violence against women committed against a psychiatric patient who could not deal with what was happening to her the way an average woman her age would. You say that they could have raped anybody, maybe Lisa Lambert, but that is not how domestic violence and criminal underworld work. Too bad it wasnt the trailer park where Teena grew up (Brandon Teena story documentary films the wrong trailer park as well). And if thats transphobic, so what? Lana's Mom : [drunk on the sofa] Lana? Leslie Tisdel was vocal about the film's script changes, and upset that her boyfriend who was murdered, Phillip DeVine, was not included in the film, nor was she, and instead the film focused on Brandon Teena. None that I know. Please explain to me your interpretation of hermaphroditism and other conditions where the child is of ambiguous male/female categorization. Now, how would a teen-age girl know this? R: Fourteen states have no minimum age at which children can be prosecuted as adults, according to the Equal Justice Initiative. THEY TRIED TO KILL ME TERRORIZED, Gay cousins had a car, an Oldsmobile. Undermining that premise makes it hard to take the moral highground. They had to physically lift her off the ground and sit her on the edge of the bed. Neither of the men had been convicted of rape before. Logic: you say you agree with Jude; Jude says Brandon is male; ergo you say Brandon is male. Swank won her first Best Actress Oscar for her portrayal of Brandon Teena, a real-life transgender man who was the victim of a hate crime in 1993. L.L. This story is so mendacious that it is not known if even 10% of it all is true. The notion that retardedness being intellectually below average equates to failure to know the difference between right and wrong, seems to me pretty dubious. Four times. the poor kid didnt seem to have a chance and I do not think tainting the truth with more feelings is going to help things. [9] She married Josh Bachman in 2001 and lives in Kansas with their children. Steve, do you know how many times Nissen and Lotter beat Teena during the Christmas Eve? You oppose the death sentence? Its absolutely in the public/taxpayers/prisons/other prisoners interests to foster as functioning an inmate as possible, which is why much effort is made to enable inmates to communicate with families. But Lotter and Nissan dont have a whole lot at stake in that regard. 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